|
Post by maphillips3 on Jan 23, 2010 17:56:38 GMT -5
I was looking at "The transporter", fast and Furious, and predator, and was wanting to bring up this topic. When I look at Sly, Arnold, Vin Diesel, Jason Stat ham, or The Rock(aka Dwayne Johnson), I see guys that had such an advantage over guys like Charlie, because he knew nothing about supplements, trainers, or other "chemically induced products", he seemed to get his body just from working out, and eating regular foods. Charlie didn't rely on supplements, trainers or chemicals, to get his body, an feel that his body really holds up well to action stars of today. I was wondering if you guys could show pictures of todays action stars, and Charlie's, and compare them both, so you can see comparison. i feel this would be a funny way of showing, people of today that you don't need chemicals, and whatnot, to get a great body. What do you guys think?
|
|
|
Post by maphillips3 on Jan 29, 2010 17:44:01 GMT -5
What do you guys think?
|
|
|
Post by chaney on Jan 31, 2010 10:17:44 GMT -5
In some ways I think the old-timers knew more about what worked for their bodies than today's stars. Always surprised by how many good physiques show up from 1950's film and TV, with Charlie's obviously at the forefront (and still there 20 years later).
It's generally acknowledged that steroids didn't hit California until the late 1950's in the form of Dianabol, and that it was only used initially in small doses by bodybuilders although the results were immediate. Actor William Smith has said in interviews that his training partner at the time was Larry Scott, who went on to become the first Mr. Olympia in bodybulding competition in 1965. Scott made huge gains training with Smith at Vince Gironda's Studio City gym and Smith was perplexed as his own gains were marginal. Scott finally admitted that he was using Dianabol.
Vince Gironda was known as the Iron Guru and was vehemently against steroids, thinking they resulted in puffy, overblown muscles. He trained a bunch of Hollywood stars in diet and nutrition. His methods were sometimes unorthodox but way ahead of their time. I don't know that Charlie ever crossed paths with Gironda, but his physique has the look Gironda favored (broad shoulders, flat muscled chest, small waist, functional legs). Terry Robinson was another "trainer to the stars" from that era.
Interestingly a lot of the weight trainers back then trained the whole body in a workout and did weights about 3 times a week and freehand exercise the rest of the time. Mr. Universe Steve Reeves did this routine for years. The more steroids came into play in the 1960's the faster the recovery time and the more days spent lifting. By Arnold Schwarzenegger's era in the 1970's it was common to work out the body with weights 6 to 7 days a week and often twice a day, although body parts were split into different workouts. The steroids allowed that routine.
Today's stars certainly have all the shortcuts available in the form of supplements, advanced training, and information at their fingertips. The old guys were arguably more in tune with their bodies and often had just as good if not better physiques.
|
|
|
Post by maphillips3 on Feb 6, 2010 17:04:35 GMT -5
I agree CHANEY. Todays actors have a wide array of exercises, supplements, drugs, to use nowadays. I would love for us to post pictures in this forum, and compare the bodies of today, and to Charlie's, because i feel that Charlie's body stands up well, too todays physiques. What do you think CHANEY?
|
|
|
Post by chaney on Feb 6, 2010 17:31:48 GMT -5
I agree. Charlie had great genetics and spent years of disciplined exercise and nutrition to build up his body and maintain it. Still blown away by how lean and hard he was for so long. Have heard many comments over the years of people who claim Charlie had one of the best pair of arms they've ever seen. An inspiration to natural trainers, and yes he does look better than almost all of the guys out there nowadays (though I am impressed by Jason Statham).
Maybe someone can jump into this thread and post some photos for us.
|
|
|
Post by maphillips3 on Feb 7, 2010 16:55:18 GMT -5
I am impressed with Jason statham too, but he has all types of trainers, and nutritionist to help him, but Charlie did it all by himself, so thats what impresses me so much about Charlie. CHANEY, do you have any quotes from those people that were impressed with Charlies arms?
|
|
|
Post by chaney on Feb 8, 2010 10:29:38 GMT -5
Recall seeing the comments in print a few times over the years but don't remember specifically. Charlie's films were a staple when I was in college and we were sitting around with drinks. Inevitably whenever someone new was brought into the fold their eyes would pop out and they'd comment on how great Charlie's arms were. We were mostly watching HARD TIMES, where Charlie was already in his 50's.
|
|
|
Post by biggestfan on Mar 20, 2010 12:20:58 GMT -5
Today a lot of so called action stars, are cartoonish. They are just to perfect. For example, no offence to his fans, but Steven Seagal always looks to perfect. Even whe gets beaten up, his hair always fits and doesnt really now how to act. People like Bronson, eastwood and Stallone in his bes t days, acted as real people who could be hurt and show emotions.
|
|
|
Post by maphillips3 on May 18, 2010 15:32:48 GMT -5
I agree "biggestfan". I liked Seagals earlier stuff(1988-1997), but he has really worn out the perfect action hero.
|
|
|
Post by Mean Little Ass-Kicker on Oct 18, 2010 13:19:28 GMT -5
Charles Bronson is from the old school of action, none of that sissy stuff that is going on today with steroids, supplements and all that. Bronson's body was built with pure will and determination.
|
|
|
Post by harmonica on Oct 21, 2010 9:14:19 GMT -5
Charles Bronson is from the old school of action, none of that sissy stuff that is going on today with steroids, supplements and all that. Bronson's body was built with pure will and determination. I agree but the major factor was his great genetics.
|
|
|
Post by john coury on Nov 5, 2010 11:40:06 GMT -5
I agree genetics had a large roll in his physique but no one seems to know his workout routine? Not only was his build like perfect in proportion he moved like a cat well into his latter yeaRS. Does anyone know the specifics, thanks John
|
|
|
Post by S Brown on Jan 30, 2011 10:44:27 GMT -5
In some ways I think the old-timers knew more about what worked for their bodies than today's stars. Always surprised by how many good physiques show up from 1950's film and TV, with Charlie's obviously at the forefront (and still there 20 years later). It's generally acknowledged that steroids didn't hit California until the late 1950's in the form of Dianabol, and that it was only used initially in small doses by bodybuilders although the results were immediate. Actor William Smith has said in interviews that his training partner at the time was Larry Scott, who went on to become the first Mr. Olympia in bodybulding competition in 1965. Scott made huge gains training with Smith at Vince Gironda's Studio City gym and Smith was perplexed as his own gains were marginal. Scott finally admitted that he was using Dianabol. Vince Gironda was known as the Iron Guru and was vehemently against steroids, thinking they resulted in puffy, overblown muscles. He trained a bunch of Hollywood stars in diet and nutrition. His methods were sometimes unorthodox but way ahead of their time. I don't know that Charlie ever crossed paths with Gironda, but his physique has the look Gironda favored (broad shoulders, flat muscled chest, small waist, functional legs). Terry Robinson was another "trainer to the stars" from that era. Interestingly a lot of the weight trainers back then trained the whole body in a workout and did weights about 3 times a week and freehand exercise the rest of the time. Mr. Universe Steve Reeves did this routine for years. The more steroids came into play in the 1960's the faster the recovery time and the more days spent lifting. By Arnold Schwarzenegger's era in the 1970's it was common to work out the body with weights 6 to 7 days a week and often twice a day, although body parts were split into different workouts. The steroids allowed that routine. Today's stars certainly have all the shortcuts available in the form of supplements, advanced training, and information at their fingertips. The old guys were arguably more in tune with their bodies and often had just as good if not better physiques.
|
|
|
Post by S Brown on Jan 30, 2011 11:01:49 GMT -5
Hate to point this out, but Bronson may have had a mild case of gyno by the around 1970. It certainly looks that way in one of the films he made in France. Can't remember the name of it, but he's putting on a white shirt. First he faces the camera, then turns to the side. You see it when he turns. I was in the gym business for many years, and I think I know what I was looking at. His nipples were swollen and pointed. A competitive bodybuilder friend had a video tape, and he stopped the action to show me. I saw the video about twenty years ago, but I remember what I saw. So I'm pretty sure he used roids around that time. But I doubt if he was using them ten years earlier. But who can say? At any rate, he had a good natural build with long muscles. If you have short muscles, nothing you do will give you arms like his. Franco took tons of roids and his arm muscles never grew.
|
|
|
Post by S Brown on Jan 30, 2011 11:10:37 GMT -5
I meant that Franco's muscles didn't grown longer. Long muscles have the capacity to grow larger.
|
|